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Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character

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In this strikingly original and groundbreaking book, Dr. Shay examines the psychological devastation of war by comparing the soldiers of Homer's Iliad with Vietnam veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. Although the Iliad was written twenty-seven centuries ago it has much to teach about combat trauma, as do the more recent, compelling voices and experience
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Paperback, 272 pages
Published October 1st 1995 by Scribner (first published 1994)
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Laura
Jan 22, 2011 rated it it was amazing
Jonathan Shay is a psychotherapist – and impressive amateur classicist – who has spent decades treating Vietnam veterans with severe PTSD. In this fascinating book, he analyzes what he sees as the moral breakdown of Achilles in terms of factors common to the Vietnam War. The first section of the book outlines these factors: a betrayal of “what’s right”; the shrinkage of the social and moral horizon; grief at the death of a special comrade; guilt and wrongful substitution; and going berserk (a cl ...more
Thomas
May 12, 2012 rated it it was amazing
Homer is ever present in modern culture, but his power is often reduced to a kind of cartoon. The Iliad becomes a sword-and-sandals Hollywood cliche and the Odyssey becomes the original road movie. Shay brings the Iliad back to reality by shining a new light on the ferocious pain of Achilles, pain that today might be called PTSD, but which Shay calls "moral injury."

Shay reads the Iliad as a psychologist and observes in Achilles some of the same symptoms that he sees in his patients, many of who
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James
Dec 11, 2007 rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Adolescents and adults
A powerful study of the impact of PTSD on the human personality, using the Iliad and other classic literary portraits of traumatized warriors to illustrate the timelessness of this problem with special emphasis on the reasons that the Vietnam war was a more shattering experience for many veterans than other wars have been.
David Litwack
Jun 18, 2012 rated it it was amazing
The definitive work on Vietnam era post traumatic stress. The Author compares the way warriors (soldiers) dealt with the hardship of war in Vietnam and in the Trojan war, based on the Odyssey. The book is filled with moving vignettes, dialog from the Odyssey compared with actual discussions between Vietnam vets and the author.
Janell Rhiannon
May 20, 2018 rated it it was amazing
This book changed the way I saw Achilles. It helped me see the "human" side of the hero birthed by a nymph. Jonathan Shay did two things: described how modern soldiers are affected by war and how Achilles was affected by war. Chapter by chapter, he connects Achilles emotions and actions with the modern warrior. You understand how grief manifests into rage...for today's soldier, as well as yesterday's warrior, using the Iliad and Achilles as the touchstone. It's a fascinating read. I highly recom ...more
Dave
Nov 19, 2007 rated it it was amazing
This was a great book in conjunction with The Iliad. He compares PTSD symptoms in Viet Vets he counsels to descritions in The Iliad. Very intense depictions of modern PTSD copied verbatim from transcripts with the vets. One man describes leaving his house at night carrying a steak knife, walking down dark alleys hoping someone will threaten him. This is real.
Joe Green
Jul 14, 2013 rated it it was amazing
I was writing a paper about Bill Anderson and his Civil War experience when I stumbled upon this work. Completely changed the direction of the paper, and my relationship with a friend who recently returned from combat in Iraq.
Emily Murphy
Note: All of these ratings are based on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best.

Writing Quality: 7
Literary criticism and medical nonfiction can be some of the most boring books on the market. Not so with this one. It's written at an accessible level. It is rather dry, befitting its genre, but definitely makes apt comparisons and keeps a good balance between example and explanation.

Setting: 7
Usually nonfiction books don't have a setting, but this one paints such a vivid picture of culture that I consi
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Holly
Sep 24, 2015 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: history
This is a somewhat difficult book to review, but I would go so far as to say this is an absolute must-read for understanding combat trauma. The Achilles argument was enlightening because it contextualized war within the scope of thousands of years of history and thousands of years of soldiering. Shay's treatment of the morally wounded is quite respectful and profoundly thoughtful. The book is peppered with the raw experience of combat survivors, so it is sometimes difficult to read; however, thi ...more
Zeus_slayer101
Dec 07, 2009 rated it liked it
Achilles in Vietnam is a study of the impact of PTSD on the human personality, using The Iliad to illustrate the impact of this problem with emphasis on the reasons why Vietnam was more traumatic for many veterans than other conflicts have been. This was a good book to read along with The Iliad and helped me bring out some of the underlying themes throughout Homer’s text.
This book contained some very keen observations in it. You just have to fight through all of the boring psychology jargon and
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Tim
Jan 29, 2012 rated it it was amazing
Shay's account of PTSD among Vietnam veterans is eye-opening to the horrors faced by soldiers both during and after the war. His juxtaposition of quotes from his patients and lines from The Illiad are well done and includes insightful analysis of the two. I found a frightening similarity between many of the Vietnam experiences and those of the recent wars in the Middle East. The military has learned, since Vietnam, to drastically curtail what the media can show of the war. In recent wars, this s ...more
Diogenes
Dec 16, 2010 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: favorites
Scholarly genius. A rock-solid read overlapping the Iliad with the Vietnam War and how, throughout history, combat soldiers have been dealt the burden of PTSD as a byproduct of war, beginning with his analysis of Homer's Achilles to which, Shay says, his loss of character after the death of Patroclus, is the ultimate tragedy of this most classic work. Although I would disagree on some points, the main emphases are sound, fascinating, and profoundly well done. Kudos to Shay for this great book.
Adam Wahlberg
Dec 11, 2012 rated it it was amazing
Stunning work -- comparing the soldiers of The Illiad to the vets in Vietnam, what they come home with in terms of PTSD. Amazing insights and such a contribution to the scholarship in this area.
David Sarkies
Sep 24, 2012 rated it really liked it
Recommends it for: Polticians, Managers, Bureaucrats
Recommended to David by: Amazon (That is where I first discovered it)
Shelves: sociology
Failures of the American Army
30 September 2012

This is one of the toughest books that I have read to date and pretty much halfway through the chapter on grief I found that my brain had been reduced to slush. Now, I have never been to war and never experienced war, but when Shay says in his introduction that this book will have a tendency to bring flashbacks to combat veterans he was not kidding. As I suggested, I am not a combat veteran and I found this book very hard going myself, and in a way,
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Elizabeth Arnold
Apr 07, 2018 rated it liked it
I feel like this book needs an up-front disclaimer. While it is fair and accurate to describe the book as an interesting academic comparison of the the experience of soldiers in the Illiad (though the caveat must be added: the experience *as related by Homer*) and modern-day soldiers in Vietnam, as well as an argument for a particular framework to understand the 'failure mode' of humans under extreme wartime stress, there are also moments of 'throw you entirely out of the book' revulsion while r ...more
Steve Woods
Sep 09, 2011 rated it it was amazing
This is a really interesting and valuable book. The author is a classicist, who is very familiar with Homer's Iliad dealing with the Trojan wars, an a psychiatrist who has had extensive experience dealing with Vietnam veterans who suffer from chronic combat related ptsd, (as I do). It has been very difficult to work my way through the effects of my war experience on my psyche and as a result on my life. There have been many admissions to veterans' facilities and many hours of work with psycholog ...more
Cameron
Aug 04, 2009 rated it it was amazing
I picked this up after hearing Jonathan Shay give a presentation in Washington. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Shay has used a brilliant medium for discussing the foundations of PTSD in combat veterans, interpreting Achilles’ actions in the Iliad as a manifestation of severe psychological trauma resulting from the death of his friend and foster brother Patroklos, made worse by Agamenon’s disrespectful seizure of Briseis. Shay argues that PTSD results from a violation of “what’s right” foll ...more
Kelly
May 24, 2010 rated it it was amazing
This book is strong antidotal medicine for those who are prone to generalize about what makes Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) a universal phenomenon among afflicted combat veterans, rather than a conflict-specific condition. The war in Vietnam, like all wars, was universal in this respect: the ways it destroyed lives were as unique as the lives it destroyed. Jonathan Shay explores these specifics by comparing them to the descriptions of combat trauma poetically rendered in Homer's epic of ...more
Beth
Aug 07, 2008 rated it really liked it
I recently accepted a fellowship in the treatment of PTSD among combat veterans and decided to read Dr. Shay's book in preparation for this position. But first, I read The Illiad, upon which Shay bases his book (I recommend this before you read Achilles in Vietnam so that you can compare your take on the classic to Shay's). Basically, Shay is considering the traumas endured by Vietnam (and other combat) veterans within the context of Homer's classic. He effectively compares and contrasts the cur ...more
Colin
Jun 04, 2013 rated it really liked it
Because of this book, I am more alive to the *Iliad*, and the truths it tells about war. But what stays with me most from *Achilles in Vietnam* are the individual narratives of suffering and loss. In the last days I have thought constantly of one man's tender description of his "goofy" friend, the meal they'd planned to share, and how in the next moment that friend "disappeared" on a mine. There is a profound analysis of human experience-- of how much friendship means, and how devastating a stro ...more
Michael Burnam-Fink
Apr 07, 2011 rated it it was amazing
This book is a tour de force of psychological analysis and literary criticism. In it, Dr. Shay blends the Illiad with the heartbreaking words of veterans to develop a theory of post-traumatic stress disorder. PTSD is caused by a breakdown in themis, the internal sense of "what is right" that allows people to belong to an ordered society. Confronted by the betrayal of their superiors, the deception of the enemy, grief at the deaths of close friends, the privations of the battlefield, and finally ...more
Logan Miller
Sep 02, 2009 rated it liked it
This book had some really interesting observations in it. You just have to wade through all of the dry psychology text and read very carefully with purpose to understand its message. A great analysis of the trauma of war though and the way in which Jonathan Shay can relate it back to the work of Homer in The Iliad is absolutely phenomenal. Overall this was a kind of boring book to read, definately not a book to read when you're trying to relax, but the information within it is incredibly thought ...more
Stephanie
Nov 25, 2011 rated it really liked it
A scholarly but sensitive analysis of combat trauma and what made Vietnam, specifically, so horrific for our troops. Very eye opening for me. It helped me to understand what our guys go through in war today as well, and I am really curious about this now because of my job. Not for the faint of heart, the book has some graphic stories from his patients that really put things in perspective. It's an amazing though difficult read. I put it down for a couple of weeks more than once.
Mary
Dec 24, 2008 rated it it was amazing
More than any other, this book and its companion Odysseus in America helped me to fully understand not just what had happened to my son because of war but also why. Not why they went to war but why they had to change to survive it.

Written by veterans themselves and woven by Shay into the Iliad it is beautiful and poignant and heartbreaking. Everyone who loves a veteran or a soldier should read these books
Heidi
Jan 13, 2011 rated it it was amazing
This was another one of those required readings, for a course on writing, but the subject was Troy to Vietnam. The first time I had this Professor he showed us how not only did the men in Vietnam had PSTD but also that Achilles had suffered from it also. This book was great to read along with the Iliad, brings you to a new place in classic literature.
Eric
Jun 14, 2009 rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: outside-reading
Good book, read the first part, it is the best written. The second parts may be of interest to psychiatrists or medical people who are working and having worked with PTSD patients, but not of general interest. The first part is interesting to anybody who has read the Iliad and would like to gain a psychiatric insight into the Rage of Achilles.
Patti Albaugh
Oct 24, 2013 rated it it was amazing
Shelves: vietnam
Achilles in Vietnam is a psychological analysis of the trauma of war as compared to the soldiers in Homer's The Illiad. It is a must read for those wanting some answers for the causes and impact of Post Trauma effects. Scholarly, yet readable, Achilles in Vietnam is a masterful look at the devastating impact on soldiers at war.
Ryan
Dec 05, 2013 rated it it was amazing
Fantastic. Surpasses The Iliad, or the Poem of Force, which is very good, in every way - it's not even in the same ballpark. I'm not typically in the business of telling people what to read, but if you spend any time thinking about war or warriors, professionally or personally, you must read this book. I'm not gonna waste time telling you about it. Just read it.
Lian Tanner
Jan 23, 2013 rated it it was ok
Shelves: non-fiction
Two and a half stars. It's a fascinating topic and Shay's approach seems both original and useful - I say 'seems' because I'm in no way an authority on this. What lets it down is his writing - turgid and hard to read.
Mary Gail O'Dea
Jan 21, 2012 rated it it was amazing
This is a moving, evocative and important book. Shay is a psychiatrist at the Boston VA where he has worked with Vietnam Vets for years. Using the Iliad as a metaphor for war, Shay passionately yet clinically portrays the ongoing impact of Vietnam on the soldiers we sent there.
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“Melodramas of moral courage provide satisfaction through the comforting fantasy that our own character would hold steady under the most extreme pressure of dreadful events. [But we must face] the painful awareness that in all likelyhood one's own character would not have stood firm.” 5 likes
“Many Vietnam veterans I see in the clinic swing painfully between a crushed, tainted mortality and its nostalgically longed-for, but dreaded, godlike opposite. Above all, a sense of merely human virtue, a sense of being valued and of valuing anything, seems to have fled their lives. As products of biblical culture, most veterans believed it is nobler to strive to be like God than to want to be human. However, all of our virtues come from not being gods; generosity is meaningless to a god, who never suffers shortage or want; courage is meaningless to a god, who is immortal and can never suffer permanent injury; and so on.” 0 likes
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